How the Electromagnetic ropes pass through each-other...

DO ALL OBJECTS ACT IN THE SAME WAY? Do the Electromagnetic Ropes cut through each other?

Below is a conversation that occurred on the Rational Science forum.
Johannes Valks The idea to explain magnetic attraction using ropes that interfere or clash is itself interesting, yet leads to a problem when we throw a rock through an open window...

The ropes connecting the atoms of the window-frame with other atoms of the window-frame would 'interact' or 'clash' with the ropes connecting atoms of the window-frame with the atom frames... The window-frame ropes would slowdown or hold the rock

Jake Archer Why is that Johannes Valks?

Johannes Valks There is no why - because the rock is not slowed down nor holded when one throws a rock through an open window

Jake Archer It's slowed down when it hits the window, and it is pulled to the earth isn't it?..The planet pulls the ball to it, and the fragments of window, via the ropes, don't it??

Johannes Valks There is not hitting the window - the rock is thrown through an OPEN window...

Paul James I'm not getting the problem Jo. How is there any 'clashing' going on?

Fatfist Fattie “The window-frame ropes would slowdown or hold the rock”

…..just like the speed of light slows down when you shoot 2 laser beams that intersect each other, right? The particles are colliding, right? We expect some light particles to drop to the floor, right?

Johannes Valks Paul James:

1. An open window has a web of ropes that connects the atoms of the window FRAME...

2. There are many ropes that connect the rock atoms with the window frame atoms...

3. When the rock moves through the window - the rock-windowFrame ropes will 'clash' with the windowFrame-WindowFrame ropes...

Paul James Jo, do you mention this in relation to the magnet video? You seem to be assuming that the atoms of the rock and the window frame are in 'magnetic alignment' thus producing the 'field'.

Fatfist Fattie “When the rock moves through the window - the rock-windowFrame ropes will 'clash' with the windowFrame-WindowFrame ropes..”

“I am talking ropes - not particles.”

Irrelevant! We are talking OBJECTS! Is a rope not an object? Is a particle not an object? Whether rope or particle, aren’t these 2 entities going to collide? Won’t the photon particles drop to the floor after they lose their speed ‘c’ during the collision? Yes or No?

Johannes Valks I only assume that clashing ropes causes some kind of rational physical interaction...

Fatfist Fattie Of course there is a physical interaction with ropes, photons or any other type of object.

Johannes Valks Fatfist Fattie: "Irrelevant!"

Yes your reply is irrelevant, I am talking about a rock thrown through an open window...

Paul James Ah, I see. If you want to understand the light on light issue regarding thread theory see pg 352-359 WGDE for a detailed analysis.

Johannes Valks Fatfist Fattie: "Of course there is a physical interaction with ropes, photons or any other type of object."

And what is that effect on the rock throuwn through an open window?

Fatfist Fattie “Yes your reply is irrelevant, I am talking about a rock thrown through an open window”

You’re an amusing little child, Jo…..that’s why you dodged my answer AND subsequent question:

Yes, the objects will physically interact. Now….will the photons fall to the ground after colliding and losing their speed…YES or NO?

Just cut the crap and answer my simple question.

Johannes Valks Fatfist Fattie: "You’re an amusing little child, Jo…..that’s why you dodged my answer AND subsequent question"

Yes I am dudging it... If I ask "what is the capital of Canada" and you come with a question "Is Washington the capital of USA, Yes or No?"...

Stick to the rock-openwindow

Fatfist Fattie You refuse to answer, Jo....because you realize that the answer is the EXACT SAME one for your beloved discrete particle Religion, as it is for the Rope Hypothesis. Sit in the corner all you want.....whatever answer you decide to give, will be THE answer you seek for your simple window question!

Paul James Jo, I still don't understand what the problem is relating to the open window?

Johannes Valks Paul James: "Jo, I still don't understand what the problem is relating to the open window?"

I will try again...

Consider the 'vertical ropes' that connect atoms from the left side of the windowframe with atoms from the right side of the windowframe...

Consider the 'horizontal ropes' that connect atoms from the rock with atoms from the top and bottom side of the windowframe...

When the rock is thrown through the open window - there will be a collision between the 'vertical ropes' and the 'horizontal ropes'...

Paul James “When the rock is thrown through the window - there will be a collision between the 'vertical ropes' and the 'horizontal ropes'...”

Okay Jo, it is only YOU who has a problem here. If you want to understand the light on light issue regarding thread theory see pg 352-359 WGDE for a detailed analysis. The collision you propose is a non-issue - there are NO sweeping M-threads in a window frame.

Fatfist Fattie “When the rock is thrown through the window - there will be a collision between the 'vertical ropes' and the 'horizontal ropes'”

Exactly! Just like there will be a COLLISION in the scenario where the window frame if full of lasers all the way around …..and an observer in front of the window shines a laser through this open window, slicing through all those laser beam photon particles….or even throws a rock through the window hitting them photons.

We have an exact same scenario with an EXACT SAME answer! Please tell us THE answer, Jo.....c’mon Jo, you have balls, right? Is there a MAN inside Jo’s body????

Johannes Valks Paul James: "there are NO sweeping M-threads in a window frame"

I never claimed there are sweeping M-threads - yet there are ropes... But thanx for the reference!

Johannes Valks Paul James & Fatfist Fattie:

The scenario is not exact the same...

But when one sees light as small objects (that what has shape) then they can collide with other objects, including light.

But do ropes "cut" through eachother as if nothing happens or do ropes hold eachother?

Paul James If light is mediated by a rope and light cuts through its equal, then of course the ropes pass through one another! Just read up the pages I referred you to.

Johannes Valks Paul James:

But when there is no light, there still are ropes... Do these "lightless" ropes always pass through one another?

Paul James Jo, while the rock is in the air it is interacting with the Earth via ropes (gravity). Either make your point or read up the pages of WGDE to understand this 'problem' you have.

Monk E. Mind @Johannes - Why is it that two flash light beams cross each other?

Does classical physics have an answer for it? Nope.

Fatfist Fattie “ light as small objects (that what has shape) then they can collide with other objects, including light”

IMPOSSIBLE!

A photon does not collide with the rock or other photons…..for IF it did, then those photon particles that collided would lose speed and fall to the ground. Basic stuff.

The ground should be littered with mountains upon mountains of fotons! Even a billion bulldozers can’t clean up that mess on our planet.

“But do ropes "cut" through eachother as if nothing happens or do ropes hold eachother”

The ropes cut through each other because the ropes are not matter. Read WGDE to understand the difference between threads, ropes, matter, touch, interaction and tangling.

Fatfist Fattie There is no possible way to explain the phenomenon of light without extended mediators between atoms. No way in hell....nope!

Fatfist Fattie It doesn't have to be a rope. But it has to be some type of extended mediator. You don't like the rope? No problem.....hypothesize your own mediator. But any discrete mediator cannot mediate light. All Math descriptions of lab light experiments fall back on c = ƒ λ....which can only be done with an extended mediator.

Johannes Valks Thank you Fatfist for you explenation. This is actually the point I wanted to make.

Fatfist Fattie: "The ropes cut through each other because the ropes are not matter"

Ropes are consist of an magnetic thread and an electric thread. When ropes cut through eachother then so to the do the threads, as the threads are not matter. When threads cut through each other so does the sweeping thread - and the video you posted (How a magnet physically attracts another) does not explain physical attraction.

When threads (and thus ropes) do not cut through each other, then the video explains physical attraction - but then, nothing can move because the threads prevent that, as they cut not through each other.

Fatfist Fattie The ropes cut through each other. The threads don't. These different objects are in the Rope Hypothesis....all in the book. Without reading the book, you can compare an atom, a molecule and a chair. Does the atom behave like a molecule or like a chair? Similarly for the others. The fundamental unit of matter is the thread. A thread does not behave like a chair or vice versa. A thread does not behave like a rope or like an atom.

Serge Kim That's what I tell them too, Fatfist; some thin tubes with industrious photon pushing devils inside would do if they can show that the tunnel architecture full of demons and angels is better fitting the task than the ropes. Anything as long as that is not the mathemagical placeholder abstractions standing for nothing in physical terms.

Fatfist Fattie “photon pushing devils inside”

Only magic can prevent a colliding photon particle from losing speed and falling to the ground….magic!

Consider a photon entering a glass prism. In an attempt to explain the Refractive Index Theory, the Mathematician decrees the photon slowed down. But…..who pushes the photon up to speed ‘c’ when it exits the glass? How does such a miraculous event happen the very INSTANT the photon exits the glass; i.e. in a single frame of the Universal Movie?

Finally we conclude:

1) The particle hypothesis for light is dead. There are no discrete (i.e. disconnected) particles in reality.

2) Even the wave hypothesis is dead because the Mathematicians finally admitted that a MEDIUM (i.e. object) is required to wave (i.e. transversely, longitudinally or torsionaly) and transmit pulses (light effect) from one atom (source) to another (i.e. your retina).

Q: What are we left with then? What is the only other option?
A: Extended mediators. All atoms are necessarily interconnected. Light & gravity are not possible with discrete entities.

Hypothesis: All the atoms are interconnected with a 2-stranded EM rope.
Theory: The light effect occurs when atoms quantum jump and torque the rope…thereby sending “torque wave signals” back & forth between atoms. This also explains the Principle of Ray Reversibility (PRR) which has been conveniently dodged by Mathematicians for over 300 years.

So….the word around the grapevine is….they don’t like the rope…..they HATE the fucking rope! HATE IT I TELL YA!!!!!
Perhaps the rope reminds the Mathematician of how his Pastor tied him up in the basement of their Church,….raped & beat him bloody senseless while he was young and tender.
Fine! We are willing to be sensitive to their nightmares and ghosts in their past. We are loving humans after all….

Since the rope elicits nightmares…. the Mathematician is welcomed to propose his own extended mediator….whatever doesn’t remind him of the rapes & bloody beatings he suffered in Church.

But nobody is gonna sit here and entertain ridiculous particles & waves!

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